Posts by Bona Dea

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Current JW Urban Legend about Dateline

by bboyneko in

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apparantly it has been circulating that barabara anderson was wearing a cross in her interview :) (not true).

any others been going around?

Bona Dea

Comments I have read that "prove" this story on Dateline was totally fabricated were:
1. Barbara Anderson said that she was doing research at Bethel, and everyone knows that sisters are NEVER trusted with confidential information--therefore, the Dateline story is bogus.
2. Erica said "Thank God, thank the Lord", rather than "Thank Jehovah"--therefore, the Dateline story is bogus.
3. Erica's father now has a ponytail--therefore, the Dateline story is bogus.

Here is a rather lame one that I've heard:
The story aired on a worldly program (satan's domain). Therefore, the story is bogus.

Add this one to the list:
...in reference to the phone call Bill Bowen made (and this is a direct quote from a JW in another forum):

"No one there would have spoken the way that this person spoke (the person on the other end of the line), so freely without thought as to the seriousness of the matter. It could have been anyone on the other end of the line."
(...words in () were mine)

The phone call was bogus, so the Dateline story was bogus....[8>]

bona

"Half the world is composed of idiots, the other half of people clever enough to take indecent advantage of them."
-Walter Kerr

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Silentlambs response to WT Media

by silentlambs in

distribute freely.... silentlambs response to inquires about watchtower misinformation.

mr. brown-child abuse is an evil.

its an evil of our time; its an evil in our society.

Bona Dea

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X-JWs Who are now bible Christians

by clash_city_rockers in

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hi folks,.

i'm just sort of taking role call to all those x-dubs who are now brothers and sisters in christ.

i think it is wise for us to rise up and be counted so that we know who each other are.

Bona Dea

To those who aren't christians, try not to take offense to a simple sharing of ideas, stories and truth. If you want to talk about actuall questions or ideas we do care and want to talk with everyone, not just those that agree with us . We are just trying to meet the others on here that are also christians now as others have done before for various other belief systems.

Hi Angie ,
I AM a christian. Before and After (jwism). Clash's comment to Plm just reminded me of a one of the reasons why I was eager to hear what someone else thought of the bible. One of the reasons (not THE reason, but a primary contributing factor) why I let the JWs into my home in the first place. I had a bad first marriage and when it ended in divorce, many of my "friends" in the church took the side of my ex. I was treated like dirt and was told by my pastor pretty much the same stuff that Clash is stating here. While I don't blame my ex completely for our divorce, I do know that "scripturally" I did nothing wrong. I stayed with him through many trials until I could take it no more. Perhaps I was the bad guy because I filed for divorce. All I know, is when I needed these people the most, they turned their backs on me.

I am not alone in this. I know a lot of other people who want nothing to do with Christianity because of bold and arrogant statements such as the one's made by your brother in Christ, Clash. Too many "Christians" judge people without knowing circumstances, details, or even knowing the person (as you see, Clash has already judged me and he doesn't even know me). This isn't right. I'm sorry, I will never agree that passing judgement other people is right. I acted out of defense to this Clash fellow. He had no right damning someone to hell. Just my 2 cents.

Little Toe,
I just wanted to say that I always enjoy your insightful comments. You seem like someone who really has their head screwed on straight .

Love to all,
Bona Dea

Bona of the totally emotional class

"Half the world is composed of idiots, the other half of people clever enough to take indecent advantage of them."
-Walter Kerr

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To laugh or cry, that is the question.

by SEAKEN2001 in

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i just finished reading some very interesting stuff from the fingers of clash and non.

i got up to get some lunch and just broke out in uncontrolled laughter!

but then i thought about how dangerous these people can be and wondered if it was all that funny.. i know that most christians are not a crazy as these two, but the christian community does have to accept some of the blame for this type of thinking.

Bona Dea

So, it's both funny and scary. Funny to realize how pathetic their attempts at conversion are and how foolish their arguments are. But, scary to think they really believe it and may decide they can't wait for God to wipe all the infidels out and take matters into their own hands.

Great point! Maybe I'm wrong, but isn't this kind of thing that led to what happened with 9-11?

And not very unlike what was going on with Timothy McVeigh. Although, his desire was not fed by religion, the underlying reasoning is there: I'm right and any who don't agree with me are wrong. He wanted the Gov't to make changes. When it didn't happen, he took action.

Bona

"Half the world is composed of idiots, the other half of people clever enough to take indecent advantage of them."
-Walter Kerr

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X-JWs Who are now bible Christians

by clash_city_rockers in

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hi folks,.

i'm just sort of taking role call to all those x-dubs who are now brothers and sisters in christ.

i think it is wise for us to rise up and be counted so that we know who each other are.

Bona Dea

Hilary,

I just wanted to say, I love your wording. I wish I could be so suave. You have managed to put into words (so eloquently) my thoughts exactly.

Thanks,
Bona

"Half the world is composed of idiots, the other half of people clever enough to take indecent advantage of them."
-Walter Kerr

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X-JWs Who are now bible Christians

by clash_city_rockers in

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hi folks,.

i'm just sort of taking role call to all those x-dubs who are now brothers and sisters in christ.

i think it is wise for us to rise up and be counted so that we know who each other are.

Bona Dea

In all your wisdom you should have a clear, detailed, thoughtful and cogent response and a detailed presentation of the alternative to my position. All you gave was an emotional response. Pouting does not contribute to a fruitful dialog. Finally what drove you to the Jehovah’s Witnesses is the love for your own sin and the love of evil. Sin and wickedness are moral characters that go well with the Watchtower.

First off, you know what, Clash??....You can BITE ME!!!
...And yes, THAT was an emotional response.

Second, the gist of my response was this: that being judgemental IS arrogant and stupid. And that you, by making the snotty remarks regarding the salvation of others on this forum (first plmkrzy and, now, you have the audacity to judge me...as if you EVEN know either one of us), are being judgemental. Nothing emotional there...just a FACT. Even God, according to his word, does not approve of judgemental pricks, such as yourself. So, take it up with him if you have a problem with it.

Third, this is not a classroom; it is a forum. I can present any information here in any form that I wish. If it is emotional...well, that is my choice. I am human, therefore I am emotional. By YOUR saying that I went with the dubs because I love sin and evil, only proves part MY point...that you are a judgemental jerk. Sounds like you don't even need God. You seem to be doing his job for him.

If you confuse pointing out obvious facts such as the effects of "holier-than-thou" christians (like yourself) contributing to the reasons why folk may run into the arms of a cult as pouting then you, my friend, are the one who needs to check their emotions.

Good day,
Bona

"Half the world is composed of idiots, the other half of people clever enough to take indecent advantage of them."
-Walter Kerr

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I learned new info about the UN and the WTS

by Leander in

yesterday i had the chance to visit with reborn and he graciously shared some of his research with me.

out of all the things that he presented one of the most shocking for me was the wts involvment with the un.. i had been previously aware that the wts was registered for 10 years as an ngo.

however they made the claim that they were not aware that one of the requirements of being an ngo was that they needed to publish information that cast a favorable light on the un.

Bona Dea

Rosco,

Try this:
http://www.geocities.com/wts_rides_the_beast/Awake112298.htm

There are several links to scans from their articles. I think the best thing to do would be go to this website and note the date and page no. of each article and let your brother see it for himself on his WT CD.

Also, here is the link on the UN website that explains the requirements of an NGO associated with DPI:
http://www.un.org/MoreInfo/ngolink/brochure.htm

If you want even more info:
http://www.randytv.com/secret/unitednations.htm

And Frusr8td...I know exactly how you feel!!!

Bona

"Half the world is composed of idiots, the other half of people clever enough to take indecent advantage of them."
-Walter Kerr

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I need help/info on other religions vs the WTS

by Leander in

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over the past week since i've announced that i was stepping down i have had a few conversations with my family, and against my better judgement i mentioned that i was having doubts.

invariably almost every discussion about the jw religion eventually boils down to the argument that only witnesses are doing this or that.

unfortunately this is a weak part of my debate, i have only been associated with the jw religion so i have very little information on what other religions beleive and practice.

Bona Dea

I agree with what Six of Nine says. But I know what you're trying to do. Here are somethings that may be helpful knowing...

1. Are there other religions who put emphasis on preaching?

Most all churches do put emphasis on evangelism and missionary work. Most all have programs where certain members (on a voluntary basis...unlike the WTS who "coerce" their members into doing it) do some sort of ministry for bringing people into the church. Such as my old church. They had a Ministry called "the Superbus" which was a schoolbus that was painted with a pic of Jesus on it and scriptures, a cross, etc. What they did was go into the lower income areas (such as the projects) and hand out bread, they put on a puppet show, etc. Now, the witnesses (the ones I studied with) do make fun of this. But I know, when I went to this church, there was an enormous amount of young people who came into the church from this ministry. Anyhow, your answer is yes. The congregations are strongly encouraged to "spread the news of the gospel" but they are not in ANY way forced.

You may want to note the following scriptures:
Romans 12:4-7 (especially 6 and 7)
1 Corinth 12:12-30
Ephesians 4:11,12

The key point here is that it is not everyone's "gift" to be an evangelizer or missionary. We all have our place in the "body of Christ"

2. Are there other religions who have similar beliefs, for example teachings such as the immortal soul, hellfire, earthly kingdom. etc? The favorite argument of witnesses is that they are the only ones who teach those things.

None that I have found...but it doesn't matter. Really, it doesn't. I have found that many of these doctrines are distorted anyway. I'm not saying you will come to this conclusion or you won't...point is, you can attend just about any church and still have the freedom to hold to these beliefs without fear of being disfellowshiped...and without the unscriptural bonds that the WTS places on it's members. (Galatians 5:1) Granted you can't go around saying "so-and-so something church believes there is no immortal soul"...BUT you can say "my church teaches this but I don't agree with it". That is a freedom you rightfully have and are denied by this organization. (Galatians 5:13,14).

There are more "freedom in Christ" scriptures but I can't think of them off of the top of my head.

Bona

"Half the world is composed of idiots, the other half of people clever enough to take indecent advantage of them."
-Walter Kerr

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I learned new info about the UN and the WTS

by Leander in

yesterday i had the chance to visit with reborn and he graciously shared some of his research with me.

out of all the things that he presented one of the most shocking for me was the wts involvment with the un.. i had been previously aware that the wts was registered for 10 years as an ngo.

however they made the claim that they were not aware that one of the requirements of being an ngo was that they needed to publish information that cast a favorable light on the un.

Bona Dea

BibleExaminer: Examine this: ...

Leander: I am so glad that you met with Reborn. I love to read his posts and judging from them, he seems pretty level headed . The UN thing is what opened my eyes. Once I found out about that and found out it was true by seeing the information on none other than www.un.org (I mean, how could apostates rig up un.org to comply with their accusations??)...which led to reading other cover-ups, which led to reading about false prophecies, the stuff it their literature....on and on. For a while there, it was like TMI. I thought my brain would explode. And it is unbelievable, isn't it? I ask myself, why didn't I see some of these things sooner?? The answer is, I did but just ignored it.

Bona

"Half the world is composed of idiots, the other half of people clever enough to take indecent advantage of them."
-Walter Kerr

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X-JWs Who are now bible Christians

by clash_city_rockers in

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friends

hi folks,.

i'm just sort of taking role call to all those x-dubs who are now brothers and sisters in christ.

i think it is wise for us to rise up and be counted so that we know who each other are.

Bona Dea

Another reason why you think this going to church thing is a bit odd and a message of redemption is silly is because you are unsaved and are going to parish in hell unless God has mercy on you and you repent of you sins and trust Christ.

It is arrogant and stupid comments like this that are frequently made by members of the church that prompted me to open the door to the witnesses. I thought surely they are not as judgemental as these(little did I know).

What do you really hope to accomplish by making statements such as these? Obviously, a lot of Christians have a hard time grasping this one concept: it is not a good idea to try to scare people into coming to God. It usually does not work!!! Also, how do you know that one is unsaved or saved or has any kind of relationship with God? Do you have the ability to see into someone's heart?

When people stop making judgements for God?

Peace,
Bona

...I'm sorry but statements like that really run all over you when you had them drilled into your mind over and over again....

"Half the world is composed of idiots, the other half of people clever enough to take indecent advantage of them."
-Walter Kerr